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What a pity Doctor Who wasn't broadcast in the autumn this year, as this episode would really have suited a slot around Halloween. Still, the evenings are dark and the weather dismal all the same, and it delivered an excellent dose of Gothic horror, as well as one of the more historically accurate portrayals of the Diodati weekend I have come across. Common canards like having the Shelleys a) married and b) staying in the villa with Byron and Polidori were both not merely avoided but actively deconstructed. And I liked the clever device of delivering orientational exposition in the form of gossip during a dance. Very impressive!

I mainly just want to squee over this episode really, so here is a squee list:
  • The shout-out to Ada Lovelace from earlier in the series.
  • Polidori challenging Ryan to a duel.
  • The nightmarish circular geography of the house, and even better this all turning out to emanate from Shelley's fevered mind.
  • Byron hiding behind Claire from Polidori in his scary possessed state (and Claire later calling him out for this - though sadly for her the spell never really was broken).
  • Fletcher the valet's eye-rolling.
  • One of the fireplaces in the villa having a copy of the Apollo Belvedere over it. (Only really because I, too, have a copy of the Apollo Belvedere over my own fireplace - but it was nicely appropriate set dressing for a house full of Romantic poets.)
  • Mary managing to cut through to the remaining humanity of the half-Cyberman just for a while, but not permanently. (It would have been very hokey if that had been a permanent solution - we had enough of threats being overcome by love in the Moffat era.)
  • The ghostly maid and child remaining entirely unexplained.
Dramatic tellings of this weekend are all bound to look and feel much like one another, but Gothic (1986: LJ / DW) is a particularly obvious comparator, because it likewise sets out to tell the story as a Gothic horror, rather than merely about the production of Gothic horror. I wouldn't say this story was deeply rooted in Gothic, not least because Gothic has a lot of very sexual, violent and disturbed content which wouldn't be suitable for a family show like Doctor Who. But the prominence in this episode of Byron's bone collection and the way it all culminated in a basement do seem more likely than not to have come from there. There's also the matter of 'Mary's Story' from the Eighth Doctor Big Finish collection The Company of Friends, which I listened to some years ago. I can't say I remember it in much detail now, but judging from that plot summary it's a pretty different story from this one, concerned mainly with different aspects of the Doctor himself rather than any Cyberman.

Meanwhile, this story isn't merely a standalone, but the set-up for the epic two-part struggle with the Cybermen which has been trailed as the season's finale from its beginning. I can't say I have particularly high hopes about that, having seen one too many of New Who's epic final battles over the years. But I did appreciate the Doctor's impossible moral dilemma of being asked to choose between saving not only Shelley but the future contingent upon him and saving all the people involved in that battle - and especially the companions' discomfort when she pointed out the consequences for them. I hope the final two episodes can sustain those shades of grey.

Date: Monday, 17 February 2020 09:27 (UTC)
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Was Byron really as much of a twat as he was portrayed here?

Date: Monday, 17 February 2020 10:49 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
That does not surprise me on a cursory look at his father and grandfather before him.

I know next to nothing about him other than that he died of disease during the Greek War of Independence despite him being an old boy of my school

Date: Monday, 17 February 2020 09:29 (UTC)
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I'll look forward to seeing this one when I get around to watching Thirteen's series. It sounds great fun!

Date: Monday, 17 February 2020 13:20 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I had mixed feelings about this episode.

I'm not a great lover of Gothic horror (but it sounds like those that are enjoyed the episode).

I wasn't really able to settle in to it because the Captain kept asking me questions about Byron and Ada Lovelace and whether I had met him at school, or if she had invented the computer, or whether I had snogged her at school and whether they had taught being a "great snogger" at school when I was there. (No, no, no and no.)

Also, I had angled the television and my own glasses in a way that meant I got some glare which made it hard to see what was going on.

Mixed feelings about the Cybermen and the potential for epic, or indeed EPIC* finales.

But I really did enjoy and appreciate the overt discussion of the impact of time travel on the future and the potential for that it to have a very personal impact. And the bit with the Cyberman being human, but also a dickhead was good.

Also, Whittaker's performance is less frenetic and I'm finding it less of a distraction.

*underwhealming and immediately retconned out

Date: Tuesday, 18 February 2020 09:49 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
He claims not to be able to tell the difference between the 200 years ago and the 1980's. It's all the same to him, he says. It happened in history. That's my problem, not his.

It's been interesting watching him not being aware of eg the 80's and 90's. He'd never experienced a music video until the infamous Nelson Mandela incident.

He does ask good question though and Doctor Who is one of the programmes that provokes a lot of questions. Which is good and part of the fun. The episode with many Capaldis being transported to the castle and punching the crystal got talked about for months. I sometimes have to rewatch an episode to work out what actually happened. I think this might be one of them. Depends how much series continuity happened in the first half.

It felt like there was a lot of moving around inside the house but I wasn't able to follow (through a combination of glare and questions) whether this was important or just creepy.

The episode did act as the final kick up the backside to go and buy some new glasses. My prescription hasn't changed at all since I bought this pair so I've been putting off replacing them but the anti-glare coating has been abraded off and the lens are now scratched. I blame the chalk from weight-lifting in part.

Anyhow, I did enjoy the latter half of the episode very much.

Date: Monday, 17 February 2020 16:17 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lady_lugosi1313
I watched this episode because of its Villa Diodati setting, I really enjoyed it - it looked rather lovely and lots of excellent atmospheric creepiness. It would have scared the shit out of me when I was little :-)
The design of the 'composite man' made me think of the Borg from Star Trek, Robocop and Jason from Friday The 13th. Someone on Twitter said that they thought it perpetuated the myth that Mary couldn't have come up with the idea on her own though.

Date: Tuesday, 18 February 2020 22:36 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
> And I liked the clever device of delivering orientational exposition in the form of gossip during a dance. Very impressive

I didn't even realise it was exposition! Nice!

I really like how this is the SECOND time this season we've been fooled (well I have!) into thinking an episode was mostly a filler, and then halfway through, BOOM, something big shows up!

Date: Wednesday, 19 February 2020 10:53 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
I'd heard that this would lead into the two-part finale -- I think in an interview with Chibnall? But I figured it would come right at the end. Or a bit like the revelation of Professor Yana came right at the end of Utopia. Though reading the synopsis of that just now, it maybe wasn't actually like that!

I totally failed to spot the Frankenstein/Cyberman connection!

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